[Rejected] Formation of Africa DAO in NDC V1

[IgbozeIsrael]

@haenko

You say you want to onboard 5k people into the ecosystem, will they be real NEAR believers, or just people who created a wallet because they were paid or asked to do so?

Hello @haenko thanks for these questions. Let me do justice to them.

If you try to see how a campus tour can be done, no one is going to be paid to create a wallet. Using $1.5k for a campus IRL to onboard both users and devs is not paying people.

We explained there how we are taking together ecosystem partnerships. This means Africa DAO isn’t only introducing NEAR to Africans but also the dApps on NEAR. This will drive real adoption

[IgbozeIsrael]

@haenko

I have never seen anyone predict exact numbers for the regional community, and especially such large ones, it looks extremely suspicious

I understand your concerns about the numbers.

We understand how Africa works.

I would want to remind you that there are existing communities from Africa that will be handling these tasks and the new ones to be started so it’s not gaming numbers but giving an understanding.

In the KPI docs, you will see a range and not exact figures. This is to give us a class boundary.

[IgbozeIsrael]

@haenko

• Why didn’t you go to Globe DAO for funding?
• Where can I find a detailed budget with all expenses

Let me answer these two together.

This is a proposal to be made a DAO in V1 and not we asking for funding already.
The budget there is just a projection that an amount around the funds there will achieve what we have written.

GlobeDAO isn’t accepting DAOs into NDC. That’s they this proposal is to HOM directly

[IgbozeIsrael]

@haenko

If you need $20,000 for 5,000 users, can we pay you $5,000 for 1,000 users to check what kind of users they are?

Firstly, the budget there is a projection and not we exactly asking that amount yet.

Secondly, this is an issue of reviving communities from Africa and starting new ones. The campus tours are just one of our strategies in getting to the real audience.

You can see that in same proposal, we spoke about bringing out community focused products from Africa and training devs.

If we project 20k it is to be used for the following activities

1. Campus tour
2. Dev training in local languages
3. Products

I believe this should help. If there is anything yet answered, do point it out.

Thanks

[DDeAlmeida]

Yeah metrics looks a bit tricky.

I can setup bot for wallets creation.
And make 10k/month wallets

Onboarding make no sense without retention, user transaction etc

[IgbozeIsrael]

The metrics of 3k-5k isn’t for those onboarded. It’s for user retention.

I guess we have to ask Meteor wallet if we did bot the last partnership with them?

[IgbozeIsrael]

There is a wrong narrative here ser.

We are not seeking funds to run only campus tour.

We are proposing to form a DAO and have different activities which campus tour is one of them. The campus tour is just a medium of first reach.

All the communities from Ghana, Nigeria, South Africa, Kenya, Uganda etc will have their communities and different activities to keep engaging users.

Did you see where we spoke about Local products and Devs? Will that be manipulated too?

[haenko]

I supported Africa to be part of NDC V1. However, I will not vote to allocate funds without a detailed budget

[IgbozeIsrael]

Thanks for the support.

Like I explained above, this is not funding proposal. We only included those numbers because it was asked. Also, it’s ONLY a projection.

When we get accepted into V1, we will submit a funding proposal in line with HOM guidelines.

[fiatisabubble]

Please understand why this is very hard to follow You not long ago said you didn’t want to create a GDAO for Africa, however I view this proposal to be “part of NDC v1” as constituting a GDAO.

You continue to ignore recommendations from several people to break this proposal down to specific regions / initiatives so that it is easier to review and scrutinize.

At this point it just feels you’re keeping the entire region hostage because you insist on pushing a proposal with a very broad scope, bundling somewhat established communities with new promising ones that are yet to deliver.

[IgbozeIsrael]

That was a direct funding proposal to HOM for funding because then, we heard direct funding can go to HOM.

This clearly states that it’s a proposal to HOM. Thanks ser

[IgbozeIsrael]

@fiatisabubble

You continue to ignore recommendations from several people to break this proposal down to specific regions / initiatives so that it is easier to review and scrutinize.

At this point it just feels you’re keeping the entire region hostage because you insist on pushing a proposal with a very broad scope, bundling somewhat established communities with new promising ones that are yet to deliver

Ser, I don’t know how best to explain this for you to understand.

If we have leaders from different African countries to start communities in their country, how is it holding Africa hostage?

Is a concerted effort by African leaders which is led by the councils here a bad thing?

I think you are NOT understanding what we are saying and making a wrong conclusion. Maybe you should join the TG with African leaders and understand this.

[IgbozeIsrael]

@fiatisabubble

At this point it just feels you’re keeping the entire region hostage because you insist on pushing a proposal with a very broad scope, bundling somewhat established communities with new promising ones that are yet to deliver.

Ser, could you mention the communities that are established please?

Also, did you take time to read the governance document attached to this proposal? Id you did, you will see two important sections.

1. HOW TO SUBMIT A PROPOSAL TO AFRICA DAO
2. HOW TO SUBMIT A REPORT.

These two sections proves that communities still have their basic rights and they are not being controlled.

Your conclusion on me is becoming concerning. It would be better to ask for clarification on Africa DAO than say I am doing what is far from the main goal.

[IgbozeIsrael]

@fiatisabubble

Please understand why this is very hard to follow You not long ago said you didn’t want to create a GDAO for Africa, however I view this proposal to be “part of NDC v1” as constituting a GDAO.

I will kindly ask you to check the heading of the proposals we have submitted so far. Each of them states what we were looking for from HOM.

Also, this is an agreed decision from African leaders and not mine alone.

The statements that points to this as MY IDEA is wrong.

[Dk_51]

Hey @IgbozeIsrael , thanks for the proposal, I have few questions!

• after onboarding 5k users from Africa, what’s next step?
• Does those 5k users will continue active in near ecosystem?
• Does they will use near ecosystem dApps?
• could you please pay attention on the other councils comments, about the detail budget break down?
• how many monthly transactions do you expect from those 5k users?
• after onboarding 5k users, do have any plans to increase your budget? and how much?
• how many new active profiles on near.social?

Thanks!

[IgbozeIsrael]

Hello, @Dk_51, thanks for these questions. Let me answer your questions one after the other.

1. The user projection you see there are those we plan to retain.

2. As mentioned in the proposal, we plan to officially partner with ecosystem dApps to be able to market and use their products in Africa. This means RCs from Africa will major in using those dApps.

3. The reason why we did not breakdown the budget in this proposal is because of two things.

• This is only proposal to be accepted to HOM

• We are yet to collect all proposals from the countries we have leaders from Africa.
  The amount you see in the proposal is ONLY a projection. When we submit a funding proposal, it will carry the exact amount that will be needed.

4. The number of transactions that these users can retain, I can’t say because different communities will engage their community members in different ways but the transactions will be huge.
5. Our budget can only increase based on the funding request submitted by Leaders from Africa. However, we know that there is a hard cap for GDAOs and this will never exceed the hard cap.
6. For Africa, it is important to have a near.social profile. We are focused on on-chain activities and not off-chain.

I believe to have answered your questions but if you still have any, let me know. Thanks, thanks

[satojandro]

Hi Igboze,

Thanks for diligently responding to the communities questions and concerns. I’ve been keeping up with the conversation and would like to clarify a few things:

• My concerns isn’t about you as an individual acting maliciously;
• You do not need to have an individual, or small group of people, acting maliciously for a proposal to be bad. It is enough that the individual or group of individuals do not perform to the required standard AND do not allow anyone else to compete
• The core issue I have with bundling is: would each one of these individual communities pass the minimum standards and criteria to receive funding on their own from HoM?

The implicit concern is that many of these smaller communities see the benefit in bundling as they know they would, independently, not be eligible for funding. This raises some important questions to HoM:

1. How does adding up many smaller proposals that may not meet requirements make the big, bundled proposal any stronger?
2. How can we track the progress and accountability of a larger proposal when there are so many moving pieces underneath?
3. Is HoM losing the power to determine when each of these individual communities received funding and on what terms by delegating to a macro regional body (made up of the same communities who may not have been eligible for funding otherwise, this creates a HUGE conflict of interest).
4. Can hiding behind a huge macro banner lead to unintended consequences, such as putting undue pressure to approve a large proposal for ‘Africa’ or be subject to accusations of discrimination?
5. How can we encourage competition in the region if we approve of a monopoly body? Messaging is problematic. Once again, we have learned this the hard way over the last three years: we lose talent when they see ‘NEAR X Region’ and no performance, etc. The branding risk is too big. We can’t hedge all our bets in the region in a small cohort.

This is why I am calling for smaller proposals where we can actually meet each leader, understand their vision, progress, find ways to support them, etc. At the moment this proposal seems like a shortcut to extract value to Community Treasury and obsfuscate responsibility

[Machuche]

Looking forward to the influx of new talent and real world solutions in Africa for Africa by Africans.

[IgbozeIsrael]

Thanks for this clarity.

The scope and all you see here are like the target for the DAO.

Just as with every DAO, all communities under this DAO will present their proposals on the forum here before they are approved and forwarded to HOM.

The DAO is not looking to bundle proposals into one.

If you check this document AFRICA RCWG - Google Docs

You will see processes for each community recorded here.

[IgbozeIsrael]

@satojandro

How can we encourage competition in the region if we approve of a monopoly body? Messaging is problematic. Once again, we have learned this the hard way over the last three years: we lose talent when they see ‘NEAR X Region’ and no performance, etc. The branding risk is too big. We can’t hedge all our bets in the region in a small cohort.

This proposal only intends to show the scope of the focus of AFRICA DAO which all communities from Africa will leverage the OKRs and KPIs to achieve the set metrics by CoA.

Now I understand the concerns of the community and it’s far from it.

The aim of this proposal is not to bundle multiple proposals into one.

To also clarify, this is NOT a funding proposal. It’s first to get the DAO accepted into NDC V1 and later proposals from communities from Africa will be collected publicly. We included the budget here because HOM wanted to see a budget, lest the first post was not carrying any funding.

I hope this helps you understand better now.