I Think now its good as people introduce new DAOs daily, but tbh at the same time many of these new introduced ideas are already what is in existing DAOs we have already,
More DAOs will keep keep coming but i will like us to check in those introduced ideas and tell them to join an existing DAOs with dose ideas, this will help us having more decentralised ecosystem and unity in achieving one goal.
Existing DAOs would grow more when we direct newly introduced DAOs to existing DAOs with same ideas to operate together.
The we can focus on promoting the large community as a whole new DAOs join them
It will be more easier this way, and prolly help in future sustainability, so far we are all trying to achieve one goal with same ideas from different personalties!
Thanks for the comment and elaboration. And to continue,
just something that we’ve noticed from a social perspective, there is a bit of an “if we build it they will come” mentality in the overall web space.
Many detractors and opponents of this space view tools like NFTs as creating solutions for problems that dont exist.
That is why I am so big on education where people already are. Learning takes effort, and our opportunity and goal is for people to exercise as little effort as needed, to get involved, to find value and understand the ideas, concepts and tools we offer.
That is also why we are really looking to integrate and merge with communities that already exist and maybe dont even operate in web3 (yet) with the goal to provide value and improve their current experiences, meeting them where they are, rather than trying to get new communities to do something different altogether.
There will be an inherent learning curve for any new tools and ideas that are introduced to any group, but the more closely we can build onto and with their current needs, I think the better chance we have to grow with those same communities.
In addition, we can build a lot of synergy through more localized initiatives. Which is another idea I would love to elaborate on further.
thank you for starting this conversation !
i see DAOs here could be organized into sub-categories(groups), according to kind of art. mostly we see same topic can be repeated in different geographical areas, so such initiatives could be connected
this sub-categoried can be set up on astro as daos , so every initiative can create proposal with link on forum description. and all members of creatives can vote on proposals.
here some condition for project has to be, like to have a plan/roadmap for 2-3 months at least, to include some details about budget planning,
for each sub-category some funding limitation is defined
before every new month the number of project with maximum votes from the highest are choosen to be funded. and this list collects that number of projects, how many can cover funding limitation
this will work only if is possible to count any NF future plans :))
I also want to clarify, I speak mostly on the less (zero) experienced to beginner crypto-native audiences, and my goals are to build the most practical and utilitarian platforms and use cases for these commnunities, organizations, and individuals to be educated and empowered with the tools moving into web3 provides. My belief is we (the space as a whole) need to focus on what web 2.5 looks like for many in order to prepare them fully for the next steps and phases in a still nascent, but rapidly growing landscape.
I think it is very important that the community can discuss these topics, as it is a fact that the number of DAOs is growing and many interesting things are being produced. I believe that one of the main difficulties is precisely to offer support or some feedback for beginners (I understand this because of what happens to me, because although we spend a lot of time developing projects and engaging people, we often don’t even receive a positive or negative answer - about the technical feasibility of proposals - by the Creatives DAO). This is somewhat discouraging for beginners, but I understand that there may be too many proposals for few people to evaluate.
Answer to “Self Sustainability” and “Challenges” lies in
Generating cash flow for the DAOs
Investing the return so it’s safe and hedged against inflation.
Cash Flow generation
Research team for finding out cash flow generating opportunities online
We need a team of 2-3 members that can find out multiple areas of opportunity for the art we have on NEAR to be either sold directly, or get projects for artists from wherever there is a requirement or an opportunity to generate income from
Creating products and artwork that are already in demand. Guided meditations, Tarot Cards, companies looking for various artists for their design or art requirements etc, design and art projects for NGOs etc
Venturing into web 2.0 sites like, redbubble.com , Printify.com. They print your design and send it to the customer giving you your commission in the least hassle way possible
Leveraging Upwork and other freelance platforms for NEAR creative guilds
We have a translators guild, writers guild, huge amount of video and audio professionals. We should have guilds made for other creative collectives as well.
We can have a team set for setting up accounts on multiple marketplaces and pitch to poetential clients in order to get more work.
With the size of our teams we can almost get every project if pitched correctly and can generate consistent income if managed well.
We can also build a website to showcase the pool of talent we have for buyers and companies to choose from for their projects. This can be shared with marketing agencies locally and globally as they can get the talent from everywhere in the world now.
Create Affiliate marketing site for multiple niches ( This is a non-conventional one, but has a huge upside in my opinion)
Affiliate marketing sites are like passive income generating assets which can be sold for a huge multiple (if a site is generating 1k USD it can be sold for 30-35K USD on various marketplaces
SEO researchers, website developers and writers are the main pillars of an affiliate marketing site. If we start generating content for the web 2, it can still pay a decent amount of returns.
Best part is it becomes partially passive as you dont have to write a lot of articles once you have a good amount of articles generating revenue.
Please check flippa.com or empireflippers.com to understand what is the market like and the size of sale that we can reach through these websites
Evey DAO can run their own affiliate site which can help them in generating some kind of passive income and it can be sold quite easily as an asset as well.
Investing using crypto native functionalities (Not my expertise, Just something I do for myself)
Staking (Near staking on ref.finance can generate upto 70% annually)
Buying a Node (Octopus network has come with an opportunity to buy it’s node for ( 7.5K USD which will generate some amount of passive income for the DAO )
These are the areas I feel we all should be looking at to get active, passive and consistent returns. These are just a few areas that can generate income and provide stability. Please feel free to share your opinions and if you have any ideas that popped up while reading this
@adrianseneca Hello, how are you?
Adrian I am very happy to read about the new guidelines, it is a very nice organizing process that is going on.
I, along with other members of the Octopode DAO are happy to contribute and share ideas, knowledge.
We have a very well organized team (or we always try to be).
I have a few questions:
Will funding occur but with more evaluation as to how DAO’s function?
We have a marketing team and creatives looking for work, competent and well structured people, how can we get in touch and connect with the network near, or Creatives DAO?
Can we get together regarding the strategy to reach investors in the NEAR network?
We have a roadmapping in the DAO OCTOPOD until 2023, and the near grant is one of our goals in realizing the impact of the DAO values (8 values, 8 tentacles, 8 principles), what is the possibility to continue funding the proposals with the way we are organized?
Do you have any feedback, or suggestions for our structure?
Thank you very much, we are at your disposal.
Natasha Cremonese
Hello!
I’ll start by saying that I believe the creatives DAO is an excellent asset to the space - something that I have personally used to encourage people who are completely new to the space, to ease into crypto. I have suggested it as an alternative to the crypto norm. i.e., 'you do not have to know how to code or how to read the market charts and data, etc. I believe that creatives DAO is something that sets NEAR apart. It makes newcomers to the crypto space have a more inclusive experience. That being said I think it is important to have this discussion because it is an area that I feel can be abused a bit, if not carefully monitored. I feel it is important for each project/proposal in Creatives DAO to show their value to the space - not necessarily monetary value, but onboarding new users, educating someone on blockchain(or sharding) technology, etc. I think that this could be achieved by some creative DAOS/Marketing DAO’s working together to help optimize their performance.
I think this discussion could go further in regards to:
what is required to receive funding for a new project
How to monitor the performance of existing projects
(I think that @adrianseneca hit the nail on the head with her questions) how to reach investors within NEAR
(Again agreeing with @adrianseneca) How to make each DAO more accessible to each other , possible some kind of channel or community that is for ‘interoperable DAOS’
@adrianseneca
Hi Adrian! we have been discussing some of these issues at FEMINU DAO in order to define sustainability guidelines so that we can begin to adapt to Near’s expectations and needs as well as our own.
Our DAO was born out of an art project, an exhibition, that changed the lives of many artists. There is an issue there that is very important. I have seen at least 50 artists come into this universe experiencing the dream that web3 could provide opportunities that the physical world and web2 were not providing and yet now I am very surprised that one of the solutions was perhaps to return to web2 and the physical world for resources. I don’t know if that wouldn’t be a step backwards.
In my opinion, maybe we should find a way to bring outside investors into this universe and not the other way around. For me the future is here, the resources have to be generated here and we should think of ways to add value to the works but with the perspective that our focus should be web3, because if we need web2 and the physical world for the sustainability of the projects, then why web3? Could this path put decentralization at risk? I don’t know.
If at the first difficulty we run back to the “old universe”, it will take much longer to be able to sustain ourselves here.
I honestly don’t know if I have a solution, but I think we should think about this as well.
Seeing the group united and not measuring efforts to find a way, I know we will succeed. We in the FEMINU DAO are also committed. You can count on us.
Thank you,
Ghini
Hey Ghini,
Totally relate to your concern about trying to find solutions in web3 instead of going back to web 2 services.
While I believe that we should strive for better tomorrow and look for solutions in web3, these web 2 solutions are purely to secure our positions and start an additional stream of income which can support us incase of an emergency.
It just helps to leverage existing technology as a support system while we try to explore and create pathways of the future! These support systems can provide some form of stability and ensure sustainability and longevity in case there is a funding issue or something unforeseen.
When we are sure that there is just not one but 2-3 streams of revenue for a DAO then we can focus more on creativity and newer ways of web 3.0.
Web 3.0 is still being tested and a lot of mechanisms might succeed or fail. These web 2.0 mechanisms are time tested and stable. Hence we should look at them as a layer of self sustainability.
Just my viewpoint, hope it helps.
I’m always open for a more detailed discussion on a call or on telegram if you want me to show you how these things work.
I agree with you Sahil. Rereading everything I think my idea is a bit radical. We must solve this issue and use tools that we already have really seems to be the most sensible thing to do. Let’s exchange ideas. This is very important. Thanks for the comment. I think we need to establish short, medium, and long-term actions, using the most effective tools for each moment.
Let’s try a meeting next week, I want to hear your ideas. Have a great Saturday!
Ghini
More details about fundraising through staking on MetaYield on their site now. I’m really excited about this. https://metayield.app/
Also I want to add to the going back to web2 vs staying in web3 discussion that web3 skills and NFT skills are VERY in demand. I just updated my Upwork profile to include crypto, web3 and NFT because a lot of people are looking for help in those areas. I like to think of it more of an onboarding process and educational process to help them get into web3. We all have to start somewhere and Creatives DAO is very talented. There’s a lot we could do in education, consulting, gigs, etc to bridge web2 to web3 and fundraise for the DAO.
Hello Hello ! You are all right, agree 100% with you.
For this one here, we kick started a initiative to teach Nearcomers about the Cretives side of the Web3. Here you can join: Telegram: Contact @NearCertifiedCreative
Please feel free to reach me to talk more about marketing/promotion for the Creatives: Telegram: Contact @NearFritz
This is very important I must say, the essence of onboarding people is to help them grow and thereby build a community of creatives, we have so far been successful with that, there’s a dire need of creating very simple but thorough educational materials for communities and members, creatives who are moderators needs to be well equipped with information going on in the near ecosystem, sustainability comes from information gathered and processed towards achieving that, lots of people already have started understanding the idea and concept of web3 but there’s still the question “What next to do”. People are driven by facts, information and proof, if communities are being mandated to build a well structured Roadmap that’ll eventually yield self sustainability then that’s acceptable but if it’s built on just creating and onboarding then the idea should be considered to join an already existing community with same idea, this is because the whole concept of the web3 is to spread its tentacles across the whole globe so if I’m in Africa and want to build a music community then The structure and roadmap should be carefully looked at, if it checks out on all rules laid out then it’s good to go but if not then I should be adviced to join the @NxM and share my idea with them.
This is because communities starts with people who want to share the same idea and build with people who also are in need around us, retainment is also considerable I must say.
In Capital guild, we have also always considered a seminar for members to physically meet, we’d discuss the future of the community referring to the available resources on the near ecosystem
Digitalizing the community more
NFTs, marketplaces, Near etc
We’ll also be teaching creatives physically how to operate around the web3 space
A whole lot of other ideas to help us grow, people pay attention more when you’re looking at them while talking, this is to help boost the morals of members and also to sharpen the community but if we’re too far apart then there’s the barrier of interests.
We have also had in mind for self sustainability to have a creative space with all the necessary materials and equipments for creatives were they can create their art freely, put it on the market store and sell, this will in turn create revenue for sustainability and growth
I just feel the Creatives Dao should check all existing communities to know their plans for sustainability and also to create rules for new communities for the purpose of sustainability
In view of this, it shows our problem has been identified which is the first step towards problem solving. I suggest that from our community we should form a group of influencers to boost our visibility. Many of our community members have different social media handles which have meaningful number of views and engagements. Having them showcase what we have, I think it will go a long way for us. This is my opinion, thanks @FritzWorm your governance will really create an endless ripple, good luck y’all.
I’m new here, but not so much on the internet where I’ve spent my last 20 years using it to promote my music independently.
I still started at Web1, in 1999, using Napster and I have some experience in this subject and I wanted to use this experience to motivate and add new artists to our web3 ecosystem.
I have been acting as an influencer in the music field with 15K+ followers on INSTAGRAM and 11K YOUTUBE as well as an artist in the RAP segment and I know many independent artists who seek an appreciation of their work that web2 did not make possible and real.
My experience as an influencer and independent musician has given me respect among the members of the independent music community in Brazil and I can work in this area to add more valuable people here.
As I said, I’m new here but I really believe in the potential of web3 and the collaboration between us.
you can find me at:
I hope to be able to contribute to this initiative that I believe so much.
Speaking from a Marketing point of View, The question is, can we get people, usually affiliates first of all to believe in Daos? Can we get them to follow the vision of the Dao? Can we assist them in believing and also help them in the market? Should we get specialists at doing these? This is where the question is because we cant keep making Nfts and not gain some sort of Value off the creation of these Assets. I’d say we have to be direct with what we want, this might seem a lot but THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX is what we need. We need to get influential people to believe in our creations as CREATIVES. Thats why this would come down to Do you even have passion for what you say you do? Because if you do, you will go the extra mile with the support the NF gives and go after people that will blindly follow and support the Dao.
Speaking from a natural point of view building value goes a long way in atttacting potential investors. There has to be value building, visible, that can attract the things we hope for in the long run, otherwise its not really worth it.
Daos also need to merge/network with other Daos at their regions and work hand in hand and join forces because that is what it should be about and more.
I would like to ask the moderators team to reach out to NF and kindly ask for clarification on 1 aspect that, due to lack of clarity, is creating profound damage in our ecosystem.
It seems to me that many of the recent efforts, by the moderators team, of clarifying the value that our creative/artistic DAOs have in the ecosystem is a positive thing, however at the same time it has allowed non-artistic folks to demand that ‘other types’ of value is offered. This is ofc reasonable since this is a large community and ‘no specific’ kind of value is protected by definition (even so, I suggest that those who represent Creative DAOs should not be the ones questioning the value of artistic work, but the ones finding ways to strengthen the creative output of the community), however it has created many heated debates, some crossing the line into personal attacks.
This creates a climate of confusion inside the Creatives DAO community, in which people are being asked to prove value in ways they don’t accept; some find reasonable that artists should provide ‘a service’, others think this is outside the scope of their activities.
Many artists came into this ecosystem while trying to provide some kind of value TO THE ecosystem, while others came into it USING the web3 platforms as end users, bringing their artistic practice and applying it in our platforms. Both were told they were welcomed, and both were told that their activities were worth getting funds.
My request is that we try to clarify with NF, possibly getting a statement from them, what kind of value are artists supposed to provide in this ecosystem. Does NF (and we) want to welcome artists that bring their practice and their communities and support them? Or only specific projects, with specific goals in mind should be considered?
As long as we allow for this distinction to remain unanswered, we are creating a place where people will be questioned for bringing their practice into this space. We will continue to ask artists to perform non-artistic work in ways that conflict with their world view and professional skills, and we will create tension between them and community members who, rightfully so, have other ideas in mind about what the NEAR ecosystem should be and how the N$ should be spent.
I personally value all perspectives, when put into context. As a professional artist I stand with those that refuse to accept non-artistic criteria to value artistic work. As a member of a DAO that provides services TO artists, but doesn’t receive tokens to produce artistic work (in general), I also understand those that think that some kind of value TO the ecosystem must be provided (other than gathering end-users). And I also understand the questions of those that try to establish better ways of managing tokens in such a complex ecosystem.
I really feel clarifying the position of the artist and the artists DAO can go a long way in helping everyone understand where they stand in the ecosystem, and which kind of labor is to be supported, which isn’t and what, in general, is expected of artists in this ecosystem, so they feel welcomed, supported (in whatever way makes sense) and mostly, they don’t feel attacked in their practice for the wrong reasons.
but i will like us to check in those introduced ideas and tell them to join an existing DAOs with dose ideas, this will help us having more decentralised ecosystem and unity in achieving one goal.
