# Continued Discussion from Thread \[\[Proposal\] Datality.com Pre-Launch Marketing Budget - Q1\]\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Marketing DAO\ **Tags:** marketing-dao\ **Created:** [January 7, 2022, 12:54pm UTC](https://gov.near.org/t/continued-discussion-from-thread-proposal-datality-com-pre-launch-marketing-budget-q1/12348 "2022-01-07T12:54:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![David\_NEAR](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/gov.near.org/david_near/32/43414_2.png) [@David\_NEAR](https://gov.near.org/u/David_NEAR)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2022, 12:54pm UTC](https://gov.near.org/t/continued-discussion-from-thread-proposal-datality-com-pre-launch-marketing-budget-q1/12348/1 "2022-01-07T12:54:27Z")
Continuing the discussion from [[Proposal] Datality.com Pre-Launch Marketing Budget - Q1](http://gov.near.org/t/proposal-datality-com-pre-launch-marketing-budget-q1/11963/33): ---
**Author:** ![David\_NEAR](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/gov.near.org/david_near/32/43414_2.png) [@David\_NEAR](https://gov.near.org/u/David_NEAR)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2022, 12:55pm UTC](https://gov.near.org/t/continued-discussion-from-thread-proposal-datality-com-pre-launch-marketing-budget-q1/12348/2 "2022-01-07T12:55:29Z")
> [@David\_NEAR](#): > > Yes, I’ve been , but I see great improvements there. As an active [community member](http://gov.near.org/t/2021-the-year-in-review/11849/19) I able to compare Flying and OWS contributors results. Why my voice is not matter? Nobody has ever said your voice doesn’t matter? > [@David\_NEAR](#): > > Professional social media Guild > -cannot to be 6-months old, > -should share Near Community values and be transparent, > -provides upscale monthly reports, > -works with feedback from community, Now they work directly with NF people. They work directly with projects, only receive funding from NF based on their work ---
**Author:** ![Dacha](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/gov.near.org/dacha/32/54228_2.png) [@Dacha](https://gov.near.org/u/Dacha)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2022, 2:22pm UTC](https://gov.near.org/t/continued-discussion-from-thread-proposal-datality-com-pre-launch-marketing-budget-q1/12348/3 "2022-01-07T14:22:18Z")
> [@David\_NEAR](#): > > from NF based on their work How can I see their detailed budget request as well as a source of their funding - community treasure . Could you please describe how NF measures their work? Their successful work ? > [@David\_NEAR](#): > > Nobody has ever said your voice doesn’t matter? Ecosystem Dev councils ignoring my questions and concerns. It’s the evidence of it. ---
**Author:** ![David\_NEAR](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/gov.near.org/david_near/32/43414_2.png) [@David\_NEAR](https://gov.near.org/u/David_NEAR)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2022, 2:30pm UTC](https://gov.near.org/t/continued-discussion-from-thread-proposal-datality-com-pre-launch-marketing-budget-q1/12348/4 "2022-01-07T14:30:41Z")
> [@Dacha](#): > > How can I see their detailed budget request as well as a source of their funding - community treasure . AFAIK they are distributed _x_ amount of funding depending on # of clients per month. > [@Dacha](#): > > Could you please describe how NF measures their work? Their successful work ? It has been constantly tracked since the inception of the Guild through public reports. > [@Dacha](#): > > Ecosystem Dev councils ignoring my questions and concerns. It’s the evidence of it. Nobody has ignored any of your concerns, I always have a two way communication channel here on the forum with yourself ---
**Author:** ![Dacha](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/gov.near.org/dacha/32/54228_2.png) [@Dacha](https://gov.near.org/u/Dacha)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2022, 2:54pm UTC](https://gov.near.org/t/continued-discussion-from-thread-proposal-datality-com-pre-launch-marketing-budget-q1/12348/5 "2022-01-07T14:54:31Z")
> [@David\_NEAR](#): > > AFAIK they are distributed _x_ amount of funding depending on # of clients per month. What the prices ? > [@David\_NEAR](#): > > It has been constantly tracked since the inception of the Guild through public reports. Means nothing. Their public reports don’t information for this. > [@David\_NEAR](#): > > Nobody has ignored any of your concerns, I always have a two way communication channel here on the forum with yourself My questions, again: Will Flying be founded directly from NF since January 22? 2.Did Flying make decision transit into LCC, because the guild doesn’t match [new tiering system](http://gov.near.org/t/guilds-tiering-system-an-evolutionary-path-for-community-development/11104) requirements ? And to be able to get unlimited funding from NF? 3.If Flying works directly with NF people, how your company is going to provide equal access for Near Community members? 4.How other Gulids can apply for social media service? New web- site doesn’t have any information about it 1. Does NF have alternative of this LLC for social media service support? Did anybody compare Flying Rhino prices with the same OWS contributors work and marketing dao grantees? 6.Is $17 310 a month the best price on the market ? 1. How community members can apply for councils work in Ecosystem Development DAO? Evidences of ignoring > [@Flying Rhino Guild October 2021 Roundup](http://gov.near.org/t/flying-rhino-guild-october-2021-roundup/8623/2): > > Good morning! How much you get monthly from these guilds for marketing activities? Thank You! > [@Flying Rhino November 2021 Roundup](http://gov.near.org/t/flying-rhino-november-2021-roundup/10349/3): > > Guilds don’t pay us we are a community service. Coyotefugly aided in creating Tik Toks when our Tik Tok person Ben (Tratt.near) was unable to due to school. the leader and manager of the guild makes the average pay that a social media marketing manager does, foliage 10. > [@Flying Rhino Guild December 2021 Roundup](http://gov.near.org/t/flying-rhino-guild-december-2021-roundup/11779/7): > > No problem, could you please fix it and answer on my questions above? Thank You Thanks Bonus question- Wen NF is going to stop control everything, stop their experiments, and starting implementing members driven community idea? We are waiting for it since June 21. ---
**Author:** ![David\_NEAR](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/gov.near.org/david_near/32/43414_2.png) [@David\_NEAR](https://gov.near.org/u/David_NEAR)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2022, 3:02pm UTC](https://gov.near.org/t/continued-discussion-from-thread-proposal-datality-com-pre-launch-marketing-budget-q1/12348/6 "2022-01-07T15:02:03Z")
> [@Dacha](#): > > What the prices ? I don’t have that information atm. Will see what I can find out. > [@Dacha](#): > > Means nothing. Their public reports don’t information for this. Untrue. They’ve built up a relationship with the entire community and the funding body (NF) and have proven their value countless times. > [@Dacha](#): > > Will Flying be founded directly from NF since January 22? It is already directly funded by NF. > [@Dacha](#): > > Did Flying make decision transit into LCC, because the guild doesn’t match [new tiering system](http://gov.near.org/t/guilds-tiering-system-an-evolutionary-path-for-community-development/11104) requirements ? And to be able to get unlimited funding from NF? Nobody gets ‘unlimited funding’ from the NF. I can’t speak for their reasoning, but it’d benefit you if you understood what the long term goals of most Guilds are (or should be), that being the ability to become self-sufficient and transition into a company-style structure a la 4nts. > [@Dacha](#): > > If Flying works directly with NF people, how your company is going to provide equal access for Near Community members? Equal access to what? > [@Dacha](#): > > How other Gulids can apply for social media service? New web- site doesn’t have any information about it Unsure what their status is on the website atm. They have a very active Twitter - [https://mobile.twitter.com/flying\_rhino1](https://mobile.twitter.com/flying_rhino1) > [@Dacha](#): > > Does NF have alternative of this LLC for social media service support? I don’t understand this question. > [@Dacha](#): > > Did anybody compare Flying Rhino prices with the same OWS contributors work and marketing dao grantees? We’ve spoken about this multiple times. You can’t conflate incentivised community contributions with less structure to what is essentially shaping up to be a fully fledged Web3 marketing agency. > [@Dacha](#): > > Is $17 310 a month the best price on the market ? The NF is a non-profit, we’re not trying to scrape the barrel and scrimp and save every penny, gwei, or Tgas. Guilds like this are bootstrapped before going on to, ideally, becoming a self sufficient entity. ---
**Author:** ![Dacha](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/gov.near.org/dacha/32/54228_2.png) [@Dacha](https://gov.near.org/u/Dacha)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2022, 3:13pm UTC](https://gov.near.org/t/continued-discussion-from-thread-proposal-datality-com-pre-launch-marketing-budget-q1/12348/7 "2022-01-07T15:13:51Z")
> [@David\_NEAR](#): > > > [@Dacha](#): > > > > How can I see their detailed budget request as well as a source of their funding - community treasure . > > I don’t have that information atm. Will see what I can find out. > > AFAIK they are distributed _x_ amount of funding depending on # of clients per month. So, NF just believes that their budget is correct ? Really? 7How community members can apply for councils work in Ecosystem Development DAO? ---
**Author:** ![David\_NEAR](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/gov.near.org/david_near/32/43414_2.png) [@David\_NEAR](https://gov.near.org/u/David_NEAR)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2022, 3:28pm UTC](https://gov.near.org/t/continued-discussion-from-thread-proposal-datality-com-pre-launch-marketing-budget-q1/12348/8 "2022-01-07T15:28:51Z")
Website is here: [https://www.flyingrhinomedia.com/](https://www.flyingrhinomedia.com/) > [@Dacha](#): > > So, NF just believes that their budget is correct ? Really? NF, myself anyway, believes that they’ve proven themselves in this ecosystem for long enough to be awarded an appropriate amount of funding to support projects building on NEAR. > [@Dacha](#): > > 7How community members can apply for councils work in Ecosystem Development DAO? New process in the works, as you already know. See here: > [@Community-driven DAOs: Proposed Structure for Community Fund DAOs as of Jan 2022](http://gov.near.org/t/community-driven-daos-proposed-structure-for-community-fund-daos-as-of-jan-2022/10754/): > > TL;DR: As of Jan 2022, we invite all NEAR Community members to join the various Community DAOs as Council Members. We welcome active community contributors aligned with the community values and vision to actively participate in the decision-making process on all matters related to our Community development and engagement. To achieve this, we will implement Astro DAO as a governance tool, allowing Council Members to assess proposals to the Community Fund. The rewards, however, will not be distri… ---
**Author:** ![Dacha](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/gov.near.org/dacha/32/54228_2.png) [@Dacha](https://gov.near.org/u/Dacha)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2022, 3:53pm UTC](https://gov.near.org/t/continued-discussion-from-thread-proposal-datality-com-pre-launch-marketing-budget-q1/12348/9 "2022-01-07T15:53:41Z")
Ok. Thanks. Actually, it’s a proposal only. zanaislami.near was added in Ecosystem DAO 2 days ago > [@Community-driven DAOs: Proposed Structure for Community Fund DAOs as of Jan 2022](https://gov.near.org/t/community-driven-daos-proposed-structure-for-community-fund-daos-as-of-jan-2022/10754/1): > > The proposed DAOs structure is specific to the following DAOs: > > - Ecosystem Development DAO ![image](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/uploads/gov_near/original/2X/4/43ca1a97882ef1c8fd5332e54ddf91847875fa32.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![David\_NEAR](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/gov.near.org/david_near/32/43414_2.png) [@David\_NEAR](https://gov.near.org/u/David_NEAR)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2022, 4:49pm UTC](https://gov.near.org/t/continued-discussion-from-thread-proposal-datality-com-pre-launch-marketing-budget-q1/12348/10 "2022-01-07T16:49:35Z")
> [@Dacha](#): > > zanaislami.near who was added in Ecosystem DAO 2 days ago in open pool of candidates? Zana is from the Legal Team at NF. She has been added for legal reasons and that will be explained in an upcoming post. They will abstain from voting on proposals I believe. ---
**Author:** ![Grace](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/gov.near.org/grace/32/10544_2.png) [@Grace](https://gov.near.org/u/Grace)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2022, 7:54am UTC](https://gov.near.org/t/continued-discussion-from-thread-proposal-datality-com-pre-launch-marketing-budget-q1/12348/11 "2022-01-08T07:54:27Z")
Keeping a close eye! 😃@Dacha As David mentioned Zana is from our legal team and will be monitoring the voting and subsequently the payout process. ---
**Author:** ![Grace](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/gov.near.org/grace/32/10544_2.png) [@Grace](https://gov.near.org/u/Grace)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2022, 7:57am UTC](https://gov.near.org/t/continued-discussion-from-thread-proposal-datality-com-pre-launch-marketing-budget-q1/12348/12 "2022-01-08T07:57:01Z")
I’m glad you brought this up because we need to finalize how we will vet and appoint council members for the community driven DAOs. We need to decide this in the next week or so. ---
**Author:** ![Dacha](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/gov.near.org/dacha/32/54228_2.png) [@Dacha](https://gov.near.org/u/Dacha)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2022, 1:13pm UTC](https://gov.near.org/t/continued-discussion-from-thread-proposal-datality-com-pre-launch-marketing-budget-q1/12348/13 "2022-01-08T13:13:42Z")
> [@David\_NEAR](#): > > most Guilds are (or should be), that being the ability to become self-sufficient and transition into a company-style structure a la 4nts. Let’s start with Flying Rhino guild. Since, February. Will be first great example. ---
**Author:** ![Dacha](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/gov.near.org/dacha/32/54228_2.png) [@Dacha](https://gov.near.org/u/Dacha)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2022, 3:08am UTC](https://gov.near.org/t/continued-discussion-from-thread-proposal-datality-com-pre-launch-marketing-budget-q1/12348/14 "2022-01-09T03:08:45Z")
> [@David\_NEAR](#): > > NF, myself anyway, believes that they’ve proven themselves in this ecosystem for long enough to be awarded an appropriate amount of funding to support projects building on NEAR. Dave, I see how you you diligently and carefully checking marketing DAO proposals. Could you please do the same work with Flying Rhino guild?